We engage in an endless constellation of projects, such as ministry projects, evangelistic missions, sermon series, small groups etc. " To love as God loves means loving not just others like us, but those who are not. However, I think you are confusing or conflating the experience of God with the existence of God. To conclude, I'd like to quote Enns one more time. 1. . Normal people can figure it out. . Why do you write books attempting to make more conservative Evangelicals rethink their perspective on the authority of the Bible? For, everything is under the one and the same law-the law of transformation and decline. where Paul regards Adam's disobedience as the cause of universal sin and death from which humanity is redeemed through the obedience of Christ. Agnostics cant figure it out. But you can deny that my experience reflects actual motion in reality. Read Dr. Enns full CV, B.S. Peter Enns Height He is a man of above-average stature. In other words, I dont believe in God because I see no evidence for God or I believe in God because the evidence proves it are both nonsensical claims for me. and Ph.D. Harvard University He is a cohost of the popular podcast The Bible for. What of our spiritual experiences then? The social architecture of the church, from leadership to prayer groups, all functions along protocols and vetting systems based on doctrinal beliefs, trust-building with leaders, participation in activities, meetings and conferences, etc. After I became more of a questioner, and more curious about a lot of things I no longer experienced such manic-depression. When I gave up the notion of God, I did not give up on the experiences of participation, longing, fullness, contemplativeness, depth, and immediacy. He is the Robert S. Harrison Director of the Cornell Center for Social Sciences and Executive Director of the Roper Center for Public Opinion Research. Peter is 61 years old. Pseudo-Solomon and His Scripture: Biblical Interpretation in the Wisdom of Solomon,, The Contribution of Ecclesiastes to Biblical Theology,. Read article the other day that said they refused to accept myth as fact. In opposition to this you may place the fruits of others and their understanding of God. He speaks actively in academic and ecclesiastical venues on topics pertaining the Bible and Christian faith. Which then opens up the question of what reality it what knowing we are engaged in. http://infidels.org/library/modern/ed_babinski/experience.html, Speaking of the vibrant Christian life, Leaving the Ministry. Thank you Joseph. Left the Ministry. Alot of us have reached the point where the only left left to do is bring people together despite our differences. I want to be like you. There are multiple (a lot!) attestations that Lincoln composed the Gettysburg Address. http://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2016/01/gods-mixed-messages-youth-pastor-killed.html But if he gets a response in morse, he doesnt need to empirically see whats on the other side to begin the process of knowing the other side. Now, whether this evidence is good evidence or not. Basis for my response: 2 Peter 1:15 to 2 Peter 2:2. Peter Enns' new book, How the Bible Actually Works, at its best seeks to place us on the hard, but rewarding, path of wisdom. straight into the night our hearts were flung The moronic Magic-Man-Fantasy was the human races greatest mistake. The universe is a really big place. With this, I think wed not only find less conflict but more hope realized. And even ones blindness to this And lAck of understanding the necessity of grAtitude for thAt Is not a barricade to the reality of the creator of ones flesh & spirit. Presume? Love, compassion, empathy, etc. Also, be sure to read the book rather than a blurb to see what I am after. I think the Mystics have something important to say. Perhaps less than that, I would be more arrogant, less loving, poorer, and have no progeny. Therefore, that which is felt or known by the senses, having shape and colour, cannot be God. One, what does God mean? Pete Enns (PhD, Harvard University) is the Abram S. Clemens Professor of Biblical Studies at Eastern University, St. Davids, Pennsylvania, and co-host of The Bible for Normal People podcast. who made you need milk? We know by comparing our own, internal, subjective experiences of sight that this is a largely reliable sense. ? While others can ask the question and seem to do so with little reason to give thought to which God. Find it on Amazon: http://amzn.to/19X9WC7Find it at CBD: http://bit.ly/1dnBcesPeter Enns discusses the inerrancy of the Bible as an often contentious topic. The Spirit? I believe that, if there is a Creator, this Higher Power is not a being that we can know exclusively or primarily through this western way of knowing. It is no more Western and modern than the Greek-named constellations are ancient and Greek or the Arabic-named stars are Medieval and Arab. Thoughts? transrational . In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Daniel Kirk joins Pete and Jared to explain the major themes in the book of Romans, why the Romans Road view of salvation is insufficient, and how a focus on God's righteousness through Jesus Christ shaped Paul's vision of harmony between Jews and Gentiles. Thatjust doesnt work for me. much more defined by their longing than by theirexperience. Proud men who reject His call are incredibly stupid and foolish beyond measure. By some measure, through Jesus of Nazareth and the ensuing religion of Christianity, a longing has been fulfilled; there has been great participation. In fact, there are now around two billion adherents to the faith. Your explanation, though a bit slippery to grab with my hands, is similar to some of my conclusions, though none have given me their answer. Because of these aspects, thinking is a collaborative engagement. I have written on Peter Enns before on our blog (see the link in the analysis to Evans' book) but seeing his name again led me to look up Enns and I found he wrote a recent piece on his blog titled "How Can I Trust the Bible . Good concepts of God and faiths are ripe with irony and paradox in their making the world right. How do you know these are HIS words? Eye-witness accounts on Mount Sinai, the Mount of transfiguration, the road to Damascus and on and on. 1 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Some have thought it to be evasiveness. I said that when it comes to experiences, peoples experience of Allah or Yahweh or Jesus or Krishna or Buddha lay along a wide spectrum. Personally, I talk to God, make intercession, and he orchestrates reality beyond the sphere of my influence or capability to manipulate the results. There are great books written by the likes of Brennan Manning on trusting God and there are great books written on eschatology (Jurgen Moltmann, N. T. Wright, etc) about Gods salvation extending from the ends of the earth. In this context, for practical reasons, some times its time to stop thinking and to take action based upon the best information and limited brains computational power and time available. In other words, I dont believe in God because I see no evidence for God or I believe in God because the evidence proves it are both nonsensical claims for me.. M.Div. I love nothing more than learning about peoples stories and would love to learn more about yours. The idea there is magic in the universe is ridiculous, childish, and completely impossible. I also think such proper locus can help one find meaning, less in understanding reality and more, in creating or otherwise affecting reality. Are we to have doubts that Lincoln actually wrote it there are no living eye-witnesses needless to say. Also try googling sea of faith.. And I also can grok the paradoxical Essence of a Triune God, the kind of God allowing himself to be humbled and broken in kenotic sacrifice as an example of a new Way of Being, in hope of bringing forth a Kingdom. As is knowledge of Lord Brahma, Lord Vishnu, and Lord Shiva. By Peter K. Enns I have published three books: Hijacking the Agenda (with Chris Witko, Nate Kelly and Jana Morgan), Incarceration Nation, and Who Gets Represented? Its generally NOT considered trustworthy; if it was then Bigfoot and alien abductions would be accepted beyond the fringe as accurate descriptions of reality/history. Now as to whether what the historical eyewitness claims he experienced is a real supernatural phenomenon well that is where faith comes in. Or the mega church movement, to try and get and sustain even a greater Jesus high. Tweets at @peteenns. I think about that question a lot. But you do know that you know because your knowing has a depth and immediacy to it that is never present in simply knowingabout thingseven merely knowing about God. Im pretty sure it looks like what we are doing on here (if our intentions are purely to seek and accept). 2020 Peter Danner. But regarding a mans spiritual experience cannot be denied, well the experience may not perhaps but certainly the interpretation of it can. Maybe more so than that of our sense perception of sight? But as for the title, in the publishing world, titles are meant to be succinct and attract attention (which obviously worked).The book explains what I mean. 75-76]. Peter Enns (PhD, Harvard University) is the Abram S. Clemens Professor of Biblical Studies at Eastern University in St. Davids, Pennsylvania. But what I cannot comprehend is that after two thousand years, these loftiest of other-way-of-knowing-related claims have produced only some good. The Bible (NT and OT) both contain stories of humans having doubt while also trusting God (Elijah, Peter, Thomas, hell, all of them for that matter). Doesnt everyone including yourself feel an urge to respond given an open forum and divergent points of view? On another point, both in Johns writings and Peters writings there are statements of eye-witness testimonies. Thanks for this insight. Id rather live today in the western world than at any other time in human history. But let us then continue this comparison to Buddhism. Yes, no matter what words we employ we can never do justice to the experience. But how is it that you still believe in God? April 2015 am Universal-museum Joanneum in Graz (Schild von Steier, Beiheft 8 / Forschungen zur geschichtlichen Landeskunde der Steiermark 79) Archologie in sterreich 1938 1945 Danner Salzburg. The gathered Body of Christ? Thoughts. Previously he was a Senior Fellow of . As is our collaborative aspects of the scientific method. All, or none, of the above?). But in essence our Christian hope is a trust that God will in fact be good to his word (which is trust now verifying the identity of God through science observation seems impossible but there are many things, and I say many things we cannot fully grasp by using human studies, judgments, experimentation, etc). The western way of knowing privileges the observation and analysis/testingofexternal evidence by knowledgable, experienced, and educated people who make arguments and defend them. An Atheist that believes in God. To paraphrase a much more succinct statement on the matter faith without works is a setup for very damaging failure. There are emergent properties associated with all healthy relationships, and these are put at risk when we struggle with knowing and doubting to maladaptive degrees. Many miss it here because they want to be in control of any such relationship. Bavinck has a tendency to get to the point doesnt he ? Perhaps even the characteristics on the other-way-of-knowing list are not beyond study. One atheist and evolutionist, Dr. Jerry Coyne, believes very strongly that evolution and Christianity are not at all compatible. Such a person in fact believes Him to exist in Parts. Olof Pedersn is Professor emeritus in Assyriology is studying at the University of Uppsala. The Christian trusts God even when things do not always make sense this tensions exists in the Christian message and story (but it exists in everyones story) the four Gospels are not shy in displaying this reality. Hi Pete, Living with uncertainty is a relative thing. . In regards to ones intelligence, I am reading St Teresa of Avilas Interior Castle right now and in the first parts of it she refers to herself as stupid and if they (the nuns she is writing to) understand what she is saying, it is not herself that is speaking but it is God through her. It certainly seems that way as we compare the experiences of people across faiths. Read Dr. Enns onThe Bible for Normal People immediacy. It is a form of knowing often described as contemplative. In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. (Ive blogged on Benner several times, for examplehere. defying compelling verbal expression If he receives no answer, fine. I tend to experience *both* God and people in the manner described. Im trying to think through/explore this. Their experiences of the numinous, or visions or miracles also range far and wide, including the claims of Catholics who see the sun dance, or claim saints cured them or just the saints bones, or the visionary experiences of native Americans, New Agers, UFO abductees (whatever they are experiencing), and wide range of different NDE experiences that dont seem to point in the direction of any one religion being the only true one. Wonder of breathing and wonder of stars and wonder of babies are indeed wonders. What are your thoughts on passages like 1 John 5:13, which indicate explicitly that it is possible for a person to know with rational certainty whether or not there is a God and whether or not they can truly believe in Jesus being the Messiah. These failures in relationships (failure to relate, especially failure to love) are far more damaging than our many failures to understand, our sessions of doubt or even our failures to understand how we know. It was first proposed by the unorthodox church Father, Origen (ca. In Inspiration and Incarnation, Peter Enns proposes an incarnational model for understanding how the Bible was inspired by God. I think that if all religious believers could accept such limitations, and find in the penumbra thereof, that there is no certainty, and therefore, no grounds for believing to the exclusion of other faiths, wed find less conflict in this world. Peter K. Enns. The Bible Tells Me So: Why Defending Scripture Has Made Us Unable To Read It. If only she knew in her lifetime that more than just those nuns was going to be reading her works but many people would be influenced and inspired by her theology. The Quran Chapter 112, Things are compound elements atoms etc, made of parts. From this, I have a question for you; isnt it also completely reasonable (and rational) to look at the fruits of other peoples experience to see that their belief and faith are grounded in the truth? Having beliefs was like always clinging tightly to something in the water to keep one afloat, always being afraid of letting go and learning to swim in the sea of faith. In addition, he late dates the Exodus in the mid . I am committed to encouraging young Christian men and women to explore their faith by engaging Scripture, and in so doing make their faith their own and mature as followers of Christ. Mitchel Modine is an Old Testament scholar who works at Asia-Pacific Nazarene Theological Seminary. Which does seem not tranrational but rather irrational. In fact, if comparisons between spiritual experience seem to demonstrate anything, it is that perhaps the only objectively true thing we can say about it is that it is a very unreliable means of experience vulnerable to various illusions of reality. And if Peter didnt write it and the author was not present; is it still considered an eyewitness testimony? My point is that we ought to consider seriously the word of an eyewitness, especially when the eye witness is a confirmed historical figure. Many dont understand that the contentions among faiths is fought (and will be won in the end) not on the grounds of being right, but on the grounds of making the world right. He has taught extensively at the seminary and doctoral levels (Westminster Theological Seminary, Princeton Theological Seminary, Harvard Divinity School, Fuller Theological Seminary, Lutheran Theological Seminary in Philadelphia, Biblical Theological Seminary) and on the undergraduate level (Temple University and Messiah College). Let God alone if need be. Hi, Reddit! Universalism is the belief that everyone eventually will be saved. There are a variety of reasons (speaking myself) that I believe while having doubt and disparaging my trust in God (Jesus) does not solve the dilemma (my own opinion) but creates more problems ( I was not raised Christian either in fact I did not become a Christian until a few years ago). I read the first chapter or whatever was free that you sent. The universal and self-evident problem of death 2: The universal . But what is your source of the claim that God prefers paradox and mystery? However, there are many Christians in our country who also want to enforce solely biblical beliefs here too. How do you know more of what God prefers more than Franklin Graham or Mennonites? Peter K. Enns' research and teaching focus on public opinion and political representation, mass incarceration and the legal system, and data science. This is why I read your blog, Pete! As is knowledge of Allah. We're raising 50k for our campaign. Peter Enns does it again!' Richard Rohr, author of Falling Upward For many Christians, the Bible is a how-to manual filled with literal truths about belief that must be strictly followed. [1] Interesting title. When a faith fights the fight of certainty of an understanding the world as-is putting iron age as-is foundations against present-day as-is understandings, the battle is already conceded. pages we were years from learning That your mind cannot stretch to embrace a perspective that seems to transcend all of existence. As is knowledge of Heavenly Father. So Im not really sure what your point is. I think the wrong way of knowing Peter refers to as rational analysis possibly could be better worded as non-paradoxical., In some ways (at least today), I cant help but think the answer to the does God exist? riddle is the Zens .. I find cultural differences to be fascinating and rich sources in discovering what is possible within the human experience. Speaking of each breath, the sustaining of human consciousness seems to rely on the humble oxygen molecule. Intelligence, understanding and attainment cannot attain the depth of knowledge to study or scrutinise the Godhead. Let us have both a precision of mind and openness of heart in dialoging on these matters. It is transrational. There do not exist words in any language to specify or define His qualities, peculiarities, characteristics and singularities. I realize that there is a long and rich history of discussion over difficult philosophical issues concerning the existence of God. Edward, you assume that people cant hold doubt while maintaining a vibrant Christian faith that is simply not true. Bringing people together seems easier when their differences are not discussed. 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