but it was sticking out? Q: And you also identified some other property, milk jug with money I had a bunch of boxes that the Christmas decorations then in Jason's truck with the fatter of the two, and Heather was in the A: It was on my left because I was on the end, and that's where it was I didn't fall all the Q: Had you heard Heather moaning at all prior to that time before Jason hours? When he was finished, he stood up and sounded Q: Were you able to contrast the two individuals so that we can talk And then they opened the garage door. The closet light was on. The two black men are accused of a weeklong crime spree that culminated in the quadruple homicide of four young whites in a snowy soccer field in Wichita, Kansas. Q: And the three men were in the trunk of the Honda? Q: And I believe that we have left off at a point in time prior to the at all at that location? don't want them. A: It took a while. Q: And Brad, when he was brought from downstairs, do you recall what looking at, or what clock might have been in the immediate area? A: They brought Brad up, and then the same individual went and got Heather. The guys were brought out, and they tried to put all five I started to take them out. penetration was to do it deeper. a black that fades into an orange. It wasn't checkered, and it wasn't plaid did you take any action to restrain your dog? instructions that were given or was this just observation? Q: Did he immediately return back to the closet? There wasn't anywhere else to go. where the dining room table goes. Wichita Massacre: Pretrial Testimony THE EIGHTEENTH JUDICIAL DISTRICT DISTRICT COURT, SEDGWICK COUNTY, KANSAS CRIMINAL DEPARTMENT TRANSCRIPT OF PRELIMINARY HEARING APRIL 16, 2001 MS. FOULSTON: (Nola Foulston, Sedgwick County District Attorney, begins her examination of H.G.) to Heather and Heather to you? Q: You indicated that you were visiting with friends at that location. I'm Kevin Alfred Strom. A: They were directed there. the events of that evening? Q: And this would have been in a bathroom off the hallway, is that right? didn't get knocked out, you saw stars, saw gray? inches taller than I am. placed? Then I went over to Brad, coming from someplace. a popcorn tin that sat next to Jason's bed that I heard him open, and then Q: And when you walked out the front door, where did you go? Q: And what did this tall black male do at that time? returns, did he take any action to, say, shut down the house. out of that ATM, what happened then? Q: Was that were you able to tell from the demeanor, the way they yourself and Heather Muller? he had told me prior to that he wasn't going to shoot me, and he said he I don't know where they were. A: We were told to take off all our clothes. Q: Do you recall who it was that was assigned, if you will, to the master A: Brad Heyka and Aaron Sander also lived there. They beat the men and raped the women. Q: And does he shut it off to darken his room? There is a halogen lamp over Q: Did you have any idea what was happening at that time? I don't know how they were. A: He's that cartoon guy, that Little Rascals guy. And I said "They're fake. point in time Heather and yourself were requested to leave that room, is The snow was pink, and spotted with red. Q: When you returned back in, did you see the second intruder still A: I believe she stayed there once. A: I believe it was the fatter of the two. When you refer to Nikki, we know that is the terrier Schnauzer A: I could only distinguish Aaron's voice, so I'm assuming it was Heather. on at 9:00. Q: What did you do when you parked your vehicle? It was only about 10 minutes after Jason able to observe either one of the intruders or both? Q: And do you recall what you did at the residence once you got there? was at that time? When HG heard the Carr brothers drive off, she called out to her friends. At about 11 p.m. on the freezing cold night of December 14, 2000, Reginald Carr, 23, and Jonathan Carr, 20, invaded the home of three young Wichita men, who had two female guests. as the skinnier person? Q: Was your face covered in any manner at that time? or that there was a noise. Q: So at the time when now you and Jason and Aaron would be in the closet, And Jason said "Yeah." A: It was either on the way there or on the way back that he told me They beat the men and raped the women. they asked us who had ATM cards. bedroom, is that correct? There some of these activities are occurring within the bedroom with items Q: Were they were they where were you seated or where were you My name is Andy Schreiber. that shirt down you were naked? Q: And the one that always left, which one was that or who do you describe A: He was instructed to have intercourse with Heather. Q: And when you were in that hallway area, do you recall whether the and shutting off the lights? vehicle and and on to the hospital? looked at me, and then Brad looked at me, and that was it. that you were giving them the right information? me, and I was playing dead. Q: Did your dog have any reaction to this activity going on? Q: Can you describe the basic floor plan of this location, please. satisfaction, we were directed to either suck it harder or during the digital Q: So when you knew that here was a request or a demand for you to come He said he had like three or four hundred, then Q: And did the act of penetration into your vaginal area occur by means Q: And were you able to observe at that time what she was being shown? A: I don't remember direct words. in like a week prior. Q: Did anyone talk at that time in the closet? Q: Did there come a point in time after you went to that residence that Q: And the other bedroom that you said did not have an adjacent bathroom, And two guys came out. Q: You indicated there was a bedroom in the downstairs in a finished those times. after they closed the doors. There was kind of like a dirt road that was behind a subdivision, Q: Were you the third person in a row then that was taken to the ATM? Q: Do you recall the color or what type of metal or material that might outside of the room besides you and Heather? Q: Was this an inside ATM or an outside ATM? of Aaron's car. It wasn't that one. A: At that time I turned to Heather and I said "They're going to shoot I am one of two surviving victims of the Carr brothers' December 2000 murderous crime spree in Wichita. The Carr brothers entered Befort's bedroom brandishing guns with Sander in tow. Q: You said on the evening of December 14 that you went to that location I believe it was morning hours. is that correct? A: I went back into the bedroom, and Heather came out. with a girl, and I said no, and he said "Baby, that's all right, you ain't Can you explain that to me? I could just feel impact. A: While he was unzipping his pants, I looked down between my legs, happened then? THE EIGHTEENTH JUDICIAL DISTRICT DISTRICT COURT, SEDGWICK COUNTY, KANSAS Q: And those individuals would be in the doorway to the bedroom? I said "Do you promise Jason didn't have one Q: And did you recall any discussion between these two intruders as The Carrs were tried for 113 crimes, including capital murder, kidnapping, rape and robbery. Q: What is the next thing you recall after you took your place by Jason Q: So when you were listening to this conversation, was there anything And they left. A: He turned off al the lights. Q: So you had no undergarments on, is that correct? Q: Did you have an opportunity at any point soon thereafter to observe things out, so to speak, in the house while you all are in the room? me if he was better than my boy. of entry doors to get into it? A: I was taken to the part where the dining room table would sit, but I don't know if Brad and Jason and myself Q: Had she been continuously barking or growling? He was forced at gunpoint to drive around east Wichita, withdrawing money from ATMs. at that time? Q: Do you recall how long Jason might have been gone? Q: And had you been able to see, visualize the wheels to that car, truck, Q: Did was there any name used to draw you out, or were you identified road? is that correct? A: Not until after the guys were brought out of the trunk. A: When I was turning by the between the time I got in the truck A: They wanted Heather and I to come out into the wet bar area. area, if I were to be standing approximately in the closet area inside came in contact with other people? Q: When you left Greenwich Road, was the area surrounding this location A: He didn't have an erection either, but there was penetration. A: He had on like a white undershirt and a pair of boxers. Q: When you go back into the closet, what, if anything, do you hear the closet, would you be closer to me or farther away than me if you were I saw his clothing. The skinnier of the two I wasn't knocked unconscious, and I didn't fall forward. Decided: July 25, 2014 Debra J. Wilson, capital and conflicts appellate defender, of Capital Appeals and Conflicts Office, argued the cause, and Reid T. Nelson, capital and conflicts appellate defender, of the same office, was with her on the briefs for appellant. was going on with the two individuals that had entered the residence? Q: Had there been any command to you not to talk in the closet? it. A: In the same general vicinity of the wet bar. See Absolute Madness: A True Story of a Serial Killer, Race, and a City Divided. weapon? Q: Was there something blocking your vision of the other two numbers I believe you saw this gentleman? Q: All right. Q: Was there any further discussion as to what the item might have been for the noon recess? A: The lights went back on. Q: At the time that you began to leave to go to the the ATM, did you shortly thereafter I was called out of the closet. of 12727 east Birchwood? Q: So would this have been an area that was not in the total view of before you at the time when you heard it? to you, what body parts? get ready to go, and Aaron said "No, I'll go." car. Q: Approximately what time would he have arrived? Q: And do you know to whom that golf club might have belonged? A: There was discussion, I don't recall what it was. Q: And his last name is spelled H-E-Y-K-A, is that correct? photograph. Q: Now, I'm going to direct you back to the hairstyle, and I'm going A: We went to the bank on the northeast corner of the intersection. could take out, and it was like a fifty dollar charge. Q: Then the next person to come out of that room would have been? MR. WACHTELL: Your Honor, could we have the motion on file. Q: And did Heather verbalize any words or other noises at that time? south on Greenwich that looked like it was coming toward the subdivision. They had only gotten to the road. A: Not until about 10:00 when ER was over. A: One of them is. Brad was in the house and that Heather was also in the house. everybody in the house, if that's where all the phones were. Find the keys.". he was looking, and the fat one was walking around with them while the bar, is that right? Holly also answers to Holly R Glover, Holly R Schreiber and Holly Glover, and perhaps a couple of other names. to Brad. guests were in the room, was there any light that allowed you to see what Q: And would there have been any other cars in the garage at that time? did you have an opportunity to know where Heather and Aaron were at that Q: And at that time your three friends, Jason, Aaron and Brad were removed please" Jason yelled. He was tired of relaying information, so he handed me the Q: And when you got to the front door, was the porch light still on The man who lived there had actually called 911 and helped A: I don't know if he said any words. A: Brad's car was parked next to Aaron's. Were you able to judge? Q: And do you know the name of that kind of a weapon? one of them said to the other one that "That's his girl. on the group by the two individuals who had broken into the home? digital penetration. A: I asked him where we were going. break where the occupants of the home were in Jason's bedroom and at a He went downstairs to talk A: He was fully clothed. wasn't going to shoot me yet. He was kind of crouched back in the seat. If you step right No objection on behalf of Reginald Carr, Your Honor. Q: When you started to run that direction, did you travel by the main far south side. Q: Did you have any thought at that time as to what that item might Q: So the person inside the room with Heather was the, what you've described Q: Did you observe where the two intruders were at that time? A: He didn't ejaculate internally. individuals? Q: When you called and talked with 911, were you able to clearly recall there anything obstructing that? A: We were asked or directed to come out into the wet bar area. I don't know if he was asleep or Q: You spoke about a porch light being turned off. did you just proceed there? Q: And he would have been behind you, is that correct? he didn't want me to see him. basis? Q: So you could see a weapon, is that right? gloves on or was he without gloves? have been made of? A: After I couldn't get any more money out, I asked him if he wanted Q: After the sexual activity had occurred with both you and Heather, Q: And for what reason were you at the Birchwood location? He asked The Carr brothers, who were no strangers to criminal activity, began their siege on Wichita on December 8, when they robbed a 23-year-old assistant basketball coach Andrew Schreiber. I didn't move. Where skinny one was standing by the wet bar. make out any specific details. Q: And all of this time were you being guarded by one individual while Q: And during this time did you have any thought with regard to that Q: Did you in any way have to lean out to access that machine? Q: Once you were in Jason's room, were there any demands that were made A: There is an eating area in the kitchen, which is upstairs. living room and kitchen. Q: And did you then enter back through the front door? you are familiar with, is that correct? A: After she had her teeth bared and was growling, they said, "Grab was not yet there, is that correct? Q: Did you note anything else about his clothing? Q: And do you recall what location you were at in the evening hours, cute and we probably would have hit it off. Q: Was there any illumination in that home other than front porch? No. Q: And conversely, do you recall if Heather digitally penetrated your "That's for you," Jason Befort said in a flat voice to HG; " I was going to propose on Christmas Eve.". A: I was on my back so you couldn't see up, but you could see out like A: When I think of an afro, I think of Michael Jackson when he was little. sweater and some jeans. the closet, and I was taken to the dining room area. Q: When Aaron left, were you then in the closet in Jason's bedroom? the lights of that vehicle? About HOLLY GLOVER. correct? television? He opened the door. or could you identify one or the other? Three days later, they shot and mortally wounded 55-year-old cellist and librarian, Ann Walenta, as she tried to escape from them in her car; she died three days later. Q: And you were still accompanied by the fatter of the two men? in time what happened? me "Relax" he wasn't going to shoot me yet. Q: Why was it that you were unable to make any definite description I talked to him for a few minutes. A: We were both brought out of the bathroom, and we sat out by the wet Q: Was that what one of these individuals called you? A: I knew he had gone to bed. said FUBU. and so he sat back down. Q: Do you know what banks came into that or what area those banks would Kind of mid thigh, not short, black coat. The Wichita Massacre, also known as the Wichita Horror, was a week-long series of random brutal crimes perpetrated by brothers Reginald and Jonathan Carr in the city of Wichita, Kansas between December 8 and 15, 2000. Do you understand? A: Well, they told us not to talk at any time that we attempted to talk, in first and kind of pulled in front of the median, and Jan's truck was Reginald and Jonathan Carr were brothers with a shared evil streak. ran around to the front of the house and rang the doorbell. And I said "Well, I'm not really having a good time. A: I don't know. I don't remember what he was wearing. Q: When you say the fat one, start there, in terms of the person that we couldn't find my keys, and they couldn't find a car to use, and Jason's as the jewelry? Q: Did you draw a conclusion about when those marks might have been Q: Was he able to penetrate your vaginal area with his penis? it or anything else about it? Q: And when you after you got the first amount of money, it would flat to his head, and I do not recognize the fat one. Q: Approximately how long did Jason remain out in that area by the wet it for all purposes or did it automatically relock after you got in the have them if you want them." We all said Jason said it was the only one, and then he turned around and Q: What time normally would you go to sleep? Q: And are you able to judge the height and weight by those, by that A: After he had tried and penetrated as much as possible for a little is that right? And then I just got up, when they're bringing people into the room? ATM? snow, thinking that if they came back, I didn't want them to be able to open. the other was doing other things? A: One was just bigger than the other one. to do me any good to stay there, so I started looking around to see where A: He said "My girlfriend's in the other room.". Q: Can you describe for me, if you will, the clothing that you observed. Q: Do you know whether or not he had any leather apparel on his hands? Q: Did you ever get to go and use that television down there? I knew I had fallen over once they had kicked relation to the louvered doors? Q: Did these gunshots appear to be succession with Heather receiving of his penis? Q: When was it that you were able to make this assessment of the body A: Brad had gone to bed. Holly R Glover and Holly R Schreiber are some of the alias or nicknames that Holly has used. Q: At the time that you were forced to leave the residence somewhere he also had a television, is that right? initially was at your door of the bedroom, could you distinguish if that A: It was orange and black, but it wasn't like a patterned orange and They were convicted on almost every count, and were sentenced to the death penalty. intruders into your home, Jason's home, on East Birchwood? Q: Were there any accusations or comments with regard to assuring them Q:: I'm going to stop you there for a second. Jason had told me that she had stayed Q: For the record, you are H.G. There are ceiling lights over the wet a trunk." in time? A: There were no houses. A: Well, Heather was coming out, Aaron was out, and Jason and Brad were Q: Did you have any trouble negotiating with the vehicle with the weather to your own? Q: Approximately how long after the cars had been parked on this road I just remember looking at the clock. Q: What action did you take in that time? He was downstairs. Q: So the question is "Does anybody have an ATM card?" around 2:00 in the morning, were there any items of property that you observed Q: So you were basing this on what you heard, is that right? A: No, I can remember hoping that it didn't go over my head, but I don't Q: What kind of car did you drive then there? Q: Do recall whether or not there was a doorbell that you heard. Q: After you heard Aaron talking, were you able to tell in what tone A: I believe I gave it to the 911 operator. Q: When the same individual retrieved Heather, do you have any idea Q: At the time when you and Jason and Aaron were in that area did you Q: Did there come a point later when you were able to get a better estimate was on the floor closest to the foot of the bed, and Brad was on the floor. A: Yes. Q: Was there silence by this black male or was there some discussion Q: When you came out of the closet and into the bedroom area, did you A: He coached JV basketball, and then he had freshman basketball practice. about the time the porch light came on? On the night of December 14, 2000 the two of them tortured and brutally murdered 4 people and injured another in the final act of their week long crime spree that included another murder, kidnapping, and robbery. to him or handed it to him twice. leave the vehicle? I know the difference between the ones that has the round result of his inability to get a full erection? I couldn't look east because that's.. those individuals stood? by any, by any name by these people? Walenta died three days after the shooting. Brad was directed to first. Q: Do you recall if he made demand for it or if you just handed it? A: I was directed to do it first, and Heather was directed to do it Q: How were you aware they wanted you to come out of that room? A: Brad could not get an erection, but he penetrated me as much as possible Q: Well, in comparison to you, did she spend a lot of time there? Q: And these three gentlemen were all roommates then at this location A: He just said that he couldn't do this. The brothers robbed, raped and executed four young people in what came to be called the Wichita Massacre. Q: And in that immediate area where you and Heather were placed, how whiskey." A: Pretty much was clear, but it was still very cold and snowy. hit me. I crossed 96 highway, climbed Q: Now in this particular location were all the areas of the residence Q: And so when you speak of silver, are you talking about the same color Were you taken to another location? was not in the immediate area. it would actually have been towards the west, and then it stopped, Q: And did you continue to know that that person had a weapon? because it wouldn't go off because it has an automatic shut-off thing. It was just woven, and it had big, black letters on it, and it Don't let him you had a safe at the residence? A: Heather's went off, the first gunshot went off, and heard Aaron, had taken you to the ATM? They are now currently sitting on Death Row in Kansas' El Dorado Correctional Facility. me through it. MS. FOULSTON: Your Honor, I would ask the Court if the defendants would I had gotten out of the truck and was directed to sit on the what information you could regarding those people, is that correct? There is an L-shaped where you can go down the stairs, and And I thought it was them, so I started running harder to the house and Q: Triplex. I don't recall which one was asking what at that time. off far away from either his car or our car. I can remember turning onto 21st Street and I couldn't look that way to the furthest away from the driver's side door. 1/6 is the day Joseph Christopher, who was then in the military, got busted for slashing a fellow serviceman with a knife. Q: Reflecting to the traveling down Greenwich Road from 127th over to Q: That was the comment that you said earlier? A: I kind of leaned up to look at the clock, to see what time it was were brought out of the trunk and kneeled in front of the car. that knowledge at that time? She was on all fours. Q: Was there any discussion between you, Jason, and Brad at the time or the front porch of that triplex? black coats. have been located? 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