Thank you for the detailed information. @ Nancy2: They cop to a much lessor offense at the podium and then the pew sitters tell each other how humble their wonderful pastor is. Skepticism is another of the deadly sins in the authoritarian church. We no longer go to church, but we are the Church, weve just found other, safer ways of meeting together that dont involve narcissistic/dangerous/abusive men and their vicious little fiefdoms. And this is not the only difference. And isnt there ongoing lawsuits? Thanks for saying this. Brian- you were groomed to think about this man the way you did. There are almost that many individual variations on this theme. LawProf, When she asked what was up, Hoffpauir remembersreplying, "Hang on a second.". Titles? They were spurred by a growing public awareness of controversy linked to Kanakuk that began in early 2021. No kidding! Judge Orr retired to his chambers to decide Newman's fate for a little over 40 minutes, when he came back and delivered the verdicts it seemed that both side were a little stunned. I am thinking that this is a text book case of misunderstanding all the way around. https://www.gofundme.com/pxs5dk Every available seat (at least 100 in attendance) in Judge Mark Orr's courtroom was occupied by victims of 34 year-old Newman, their families or supporters of Newman's. I wouldnt say it was Christian themed, either just good clean fun for all ages. NOT THE MORMON! Two or three times. Especially by a "Christian leader"??? Former Kanakuk camp counselor Peter Newman is already serving two life sentences, plus 30 years, at the Jefferson City Correctional Center. I do respect that hes trying to teach the church that a risk even exists. Boys club. I dont understand why Christian organizations feel that they have to reinvent the wheel or use Christian versions of products. @ Headless Unicorn Guy: But how does God meet with them there when He has said Be still, and know that I am God ? I say all of this, not to excuse those that turned a blind eye, but to provide some shading to what is easily drawn as a black and white picture several years later. Ive never been there, but Ive heard descriptions of christianized shows and activities. *Warning: short, graphic section dealing with the activities of Newman to give readers an understanding of his crimes.*. I dont care if your a man or woman. Unless it is politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing, the right people will not do the right thing either, or it they try, they will shortly be out of office.. Newmans inappropriate nudity and private sleepovers with boys were not disclosed to the public, including John Doe IXs parents until after Kanakuk was sued by one of Newmans sexual abuse victims in 2011.. Someone on Facebook said it was from an episode of Brain Games called Peer Pressure. All this presumes that leadership in a church cares a flying fig about the people in the pews. I know that people have a lot of problems with the conservative resurgence, but from my standpoint the sbc style baptists had got into such a mess that something needed done. But the tale it told of how the lawyers for the Boston Archdiocese were basically abusing the victims again has stuck with me all these years. Sola Scriptura is one topic that seems to be more misunderstood than not. What message does this send to our children about Christian leadership? Not only do Pentecostals speak in tongues, they allow Lady preachers (gasp)! He says he wont sue the church, because he would find it uncomfortable to explain to Jesus how he took the churchs money and gave Him back 10%. Heres a David Hayward cartoon in honor of Cecil the Lion killed by a dentist in Africa. I wasnt aware GRACE promoted themselves as victim advocates, either. There always has been a small percentage that are good and a larger percentage that are not. @ refugee: I think that the active acceptance of the priority of personal moral conscience may be the one thing that has kept Christian orthodoxy clear of cult thinking because it allows the Holy Spirit to BE the Holy Spirit in the life of the Christian person directly. He just started high school. Its a tough gig for lawyers trying to represent victims of clergy sexual abuse. from the victims stories, I think what you are saying has credibility, yes. @ BeenThereDoneThat: Its really not religious. The laws are different in each state; some states have very short time periods for victims to bring lawsuits. They are just normal people. Today's story calls into question the leadership at Fellowship Memphis in regards totheir decision to hire apedophile awaiting trial. At this point, and as long as there is the eucharistic Body of Christ present one is expected to remember that one is in the sacramental presence of God and behave accordingly. That same year, Kanakuk Kamps Director Pete Newman was criminally charged and convicted of abusing dozens of campers. A huge and disastrous law suit would be a good place to start. I wonder how many more will be done with the institutional church because Bryan Loritts then hired the guy and minimized his crimes. She me body referenced Dolly Partons theater, Dixie Stampede, with a dinner show featuring live horses. Because I knew someone who sent their kids there this year. Much appreciated! But also no, the idea that one would make independent decisions apart from something specific in scripture, that was pretty much a no no. I think that the Church of my Southern Baptist grandmother must have been similar, as she was someone who reflected on the goodness of God and lived her life accordingly. the give-away to the phonies is they shut down the minute saving children costs something or asks something from them; life is supposedly precious to all Christian people from conception to natural death; but that is not what the world sees among Christians, no; The real church following the real Jesus produces disciples who grow in the FRUIT of the spirit, not the mere knowledge of some religious system. Particularly when those who do it depend on the assistance of guides, trackers, and sometimes bait to make their kills. A small independent Fellowship was what messed me up in the mid-Seventies. And then the dominoes started to fall. My daughter now preaches at an Evangelical Covenant church, the denomination this evil man belonged to. And I will say to them, be gone from Me I never knew you, workers of lawlessness. But not "Christian" groups, they cover it up, ignore it and move on!! After taxes it drops to about 68.00. Note the highlighted portion. At Fellowship Memphis, the leadership has allegedly assertedthat Newman was merely a contractor. I honestly think GRACE has good intentions. 2010 Pete Newman receives two life sentences plus 30 years in Missouri state prison based on multiple counts of statutory sodomy and child enticement involving child abuse on Kanakuk property. I am trying to wrap my head around this Christian lawyer who claims to be a victim advocate. Lea wrote: Almost as much as creating your own stained glass memorial and putting it on display while you are still in power. They are paid by the organization to do the investigation. Eh, yes and no. Never did send any of my kids there. It is also probably best I do not write what I think of these "christian leaders".. More generally, I use to think America was sue-crazy. The campus newspaper published the facts because they were afraid the prof would move on to another university and repeat the acts. Eagle has written a number of excellent articles at his blog Wondering Eagle on this situation as has Amy Smith at Watchkeep. I do know my brother literally cannot NOT manipulate. That is fine but that is not a victim advocate. Far too many choose the second way. They are perfect victims. My former church blew off a similar incident and the pedophile went on to molest. And Im going to point out that my presence on the sidewalk outside Mark Driscolls holy temple could be seen as extremely disturbing to the people inside. Huh? "He was very macho, manly, like, tough, in a way. And we had nothing to do with children. NO excuses exist that can make what happened to the little victims right. I think most view it as sinners sin and we are helping with redemption. And we have memphis, branson, and then one of your links was little rock. As for Fellowship Memphiswhy am I not surprised? I think this leaning on leaders is contingent on an absence of education and training in the working of God-given moral conscience as a part of Christian formation. I havent bought anything for years. She drove 4 hours to get them. They dont do creeds anyway. Like independent house churches, they have no outside reality check if they go sour and/or abusive. Hard to tell whos who and who did what with so many of these clowns milling around scratching each others backs. I think Im just switching back and forth between the two. I will not recommend that camp, either for campers or potential counsellors. That does not leave out reason, it does not leave out exegesis, it does not leave out what various theologians might think, but it does completely eliminate any thing that would displace scripture as the source of decision making. Beyond lawsuits, those people need to be charged with criminal negligence and the institutions need to be fined heavily, at the very least, no excuses! Never again. The document also reads that in order to make an officer of a corporation liable to a third person, something more must be shown than a mere act of nonfeasance on the part of the officer. Satan is powerful to produce every kind of vice, greed and scandal in those who are deceived. Not everything labeled church is promoting the Truth. (She dis not realize the seminary trained youth leaders do not think she knows the true gospel .which explained a lot) She was surprised at how many parents just went along. But I dont know that this movement appeals to as many people as they seem to think it will. Published: Nov. 18, 2022 at 1:49 PM PST. Both programs stressed two things. So why do we need to keep being reminded that evil wears an attractive face? She's blaming anyone else she can find. I work in a Christian preschool and just sat through Ministry Safe ( required by the church) and a state mandated sexual abuse recognition workshop. NO PARENTS were ever told about any of this. I knew Pete from Auburn. He is victim prevention. There are people who are suffering in silence, feeling completely alone, to the point of taking their own lives because they don't know how to cope, how to deal with it. They tend to be very unrealistic about people. It was freaky seeing all these ancient country and music stars up close and personal with enough makeup and plastic surgery scars to plug up the river. They are empty men, pursuing the almighty dollar, masquerading in sheep costumes, men without souls. Give me an atheist junkyard dog lawyer at that point. I mean, really, how dare they? The baptist church of my earliest years had a quote from the bible carved over the doors between the vestibule/narthex and the church/nave. When did that go by? The church had a building firm? Dygert said he wanted to take the case to the public courts, but the settlement process had taken an "unbelievably enormous toll" on a family member "who was really struggling with her mental health." but how does God doesnt meet with them there when He has said, They are not fundamentalists. Reading through the articles posted at Eagles blog, it sounds like she wanted women Elders and her Gospel Coalition (because of course) pastor was all NOPE. The abuse itself began in a relatively "minimal" way, Dygert said. I agree that PP and a whole bunch of the bunch are primarily politicians. Threats of violence. Second: I am commenting only to add some insight to the discussion. Patterson might have been a politician, but his staff was pretty academically diverse. Unfortunatelywell, we all know the rest of the story. Thermidorians stage a Coup on the Jacobins, In fact, many here saw Criswell (his mentor) as a sort of backwoods demagogue. They still are highly sought after and do meticulous work. In fact, both organizations do consulting for churches. He ends up protecting a non profit institution that he thinks is automatically the body of Christ yet has no problem suing JWs .and did I understand the Catholic Church? I would be spending time talking with them and seeking to ascertain if anything like this had happened to them or kids they know. I had always though they could be identified by their smooth tongue only to find out many have a real gift for listening. Kanakuk Ministries is a holder of numerous ministries, most notablyKanakuk Kamps,[1]a large Christiansports campbased inMissourithat has been operating since 1926. On the friedman quote, I share your political concerns, but I thought it was applicable to these church cases too. MLK Day keynote speaker: Bryan Stevenson, Founder of Equal Justice Initiative, Nepal plane crash: 68 people killed in Yeti Airlines plane crash, Checking out the Milwaukee County Historial Society, Next Weather: WBZ Evening Update For January 17, Gushing water floods streets in Spain's Laredo, Prosecutors charge Brian Walshe with murdering his wife Ana Walshe, Yosemite's 'Half Dome' cam nearly buried in snow. @ BeenThereDoneThat: Law Prof wrote: I dont think they have nefarious motives at all. I wondered if I had missed something. Pedophiles work in much the same manner with the exception they seem to have much more patience in preparing their victims and their enablers. What to know about Kanakuk Kamps, Pete Newman and why sex abuse victims are speaking out. . They believed this way before they ever had a ministry, but they did have men in the church and pastors grooming them and telling them that a call from God meant they would do great things. ", Hoffpauir now says, "I hate it with a passion" that Newman performed the marriage. Fingers in the ears, la la la la la la If I dont know, I dont have to deal with it. The kid had been throwing up the entire afternoon and was left alone in the room. Please check out what I actually said in the original comment. -Newman used his unrestricted access to Kanakuk facilities to lure underage boys to the facilities during the off-season for sexual purposes. Listen to the promptings. Some of your stories are what first clued me in. Kanakuk camp 'abuse survivors' call for independent investigation into sexual assault accusations, that were reportedly flagged for Kanakuk leaders in 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003 and 2006, recently issued an open letter to Kanakuk and its owner, Kanakuk issues new statement on camp child sex abuse; survivor calls it 'disgusting', were first published last year by The Dispatch, Your California Privacy Rights / Privacy Policy. Maybe Christian leaders need classes in Ethics when it comes to protecting kids!?! Wait, I dont remember reading this. @ dee: I think that's something you can only understandif you've been groomed and been abused. Actually its a real problem. hence you get some fairly egregious abuse of women and children, and yes even men who might stand up and try to speak reason to power. I can only conclude that they simple dont care whether anyone is abused in that church. Using that same line of reasoning, Boz T. shouldnt be considered a victims advocate. That shouldnt happen. Karis Trippe, senior electrical engineering at John Brown University and former counselor at Kanakuk in 2018, said the camp did mention the incident at camp through the sexual harassment training she took in her counselor orientation. . He is serving two life sentences plus 30 years in prison. It also offers an all-ages family resort, along withday camps in eight states including Missouri, Illinois and Texas. Perhaps Im just used to Christian lawyers who dont offer some services based on their convictions. And what a form of entitlement! They are unfortunately few around us. If you dont believe that read Thom Raner this time about 15 reasons pastors should not visit. If I were in Texas, I would want to know what churches have paid for him to train or speak. It is another part of the christian industrial complex, we are expected to trust everyone working in the system. "The sin is what goes on in the mind. AND more important: WITCHES hiding among us to be smelled out. Been there, have the memories to prove it. And if not dealt with properly their credibility ruined forever. Instead, he feels called to raise awareness of sexual abuse in the church and help equip it. Christians many times do not guard against this and even cover it up! +++++++++++++++++++. @ Christiane: Ive referred to these religious leaders in the past as modern day Pharisees, that no longer works. I just saw an interesting video demonstrating this. Thanks, OKRAPOD Countless excommunications, shunnings, firings. Youre either one of them or youre not, and its such an economic driver.". ", Hoffpauir characterized this line of thinking as "just kind of a toxic purity culture. I had always got the impression it is a popular Mormon hangout? So it kind of depends on what the issue is which type of investigation is required. asserted the Newman scandalwas more widespread and systemic, Your California Privacy Rights/Privacy Policy. And the name Branson, MO sounds vaguely familiar. . Stay with discernment from the Holy Spirit. Kanakuk, located in Branson, Missouri, has been long known as the premier Christian camp in the United States and abroad. We were both students there and socialized in the same circles. Im glad there is a witness who says he/she will come forward if leadership lies about what went down. (Im sure there were campers getting together in high school but thats sort of normal). The most important way she says for parents to protect their children is to get involved. He is not advocating for the victims in a church (his personal definition of what Church is, I might add) case. To say his affect was hypnotic, would be an understatement. I suppose that assumes that they were. (He remained in Kanakuk's employ until 2009.) Church builders were contracted to build GWs Crawford ranch house. He says he wont sue the church, because he would find it uncomfortable to explain to Jesus how he took the churchs money and gave Him back 10%. Years before, when he was a child, Newman had "wanted me to come to a sleepover event," Dygert said. Putting a building on a pedestal does not fall in that category. How Christian of them. So did the Apostle Paul. I dont think they have nefarious motives at all. @ Lea: First: I have never commented but I read this blog frequently. In those days, such a happening would have lost them a lot of campers/money. But, are you are ultimately taking the money from the bad guys or someone else? So long as it was just those awful Catholic Papists and their anti-Christ in his pointy hat, they (protestant fundagelicals) were as smug and confident as Joshua encircling Jericho. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you are like whitewashed tombs that look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead mens bones and all kinds of filth. Few do. The suit is the latest of several that have been filed against the company and Newman since Newman was sentenced in 2010. http://bransontrilakesnews.com/news_free/article_aa49fe6a-79ec-11e5-89be-7ff4b6c225f5.html. Real leaders are humble and they are transparent. Life is a minefield. Can you make a circus tent? 23,515 views Sep 15, 2011 : ( We all love and miss Pete, He was a great influence on all our kid's lives. And Christians should stop giving their money to these abusive churches. He has not, to my knowledge, been accused of any sex crimes. We must fight the good fight. They fool everyone. But what about when evil has been protected using Jesus for cover? HUG, I am sorry that happened. Lea wrote: As a world leader among Christian summer camps, Kanakuk provides children withfun,safeandprofessionaloutdoor youth camping experiences that grow them spiritually, physically, emotionally and socially. The attention he got from Newman felt like "you've got this really special thing," Dygert told the News-Leader. "It's OK to have that urge and feel it and act upon it, as long as you're not lusting. that I have developed a worldview that acknowledges the power of sin and that no one is immune to the influence of the flesh. Without success, the News-Leader attempted to reach Staples for comment several times before publication of this report. . Curious, and from the tone of your comment, it doesnt sound like the same thing as a closed table where only members of that particular church are welcome to take communion. They flatter and groom- not just their victims but everyone. We have more options on the prevention side than we do in fixing the heart, so it makes sense to concentrate there. OK, I'll pray for you. It happened at a bible camp. If you look at the polity in many of these places the elders are yes men or paid staff! Name on the Marquis? You have to pay to file, you have to pay for discovery, to take depositions, to arrange for witnesses at the trial if it gets that far, etc., etc. Hit them where it hurts. On top of that, it costs money to sue, and Im not even talking about attorneys fees. They were out because they spoke in tongues. It might have been the first time he was abused; he can't remember. The bigger, more scary, question is why people in the pews go along with that thinking. I dont know if you and your family have seen former pastor David Hayward/The Naked Pastors cartoons. After Newman's trial, civil lawsuit allegations emerged. Im glad your wife walked out of the creepy sermon. I wish EO churches didnt meet at the same time as the House of Driscoll. They honestly believe the leaders have the answers. I wonder how many have had their outlook on life disfigured because Paul Newman molested them and because Joe White did not fire him and report him to the police. Oh my goodness. They specialize in educating churches about abuse. Cause I do. Am I judging all churches? Schools and other public agencies used this training material as well. Yandell and his parents reached a civil settlement with Kanakuk in 2010 regarding abuse Yandell suffered at the hands of Newman, who is now in prison on two life sentences for sexually abusing multiple children at the evangelical summer camp. And I only believe about 10% of what they say or do.Lord come soon!!!!! 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